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Dragon.ee foorum • Vaata teemat - coup de grace
Leht 1 koguhulgast 5

PostitusPostitatud: 14:13 18. Nov 2003
Postitas sippo

PostitusPostitatud: 14:22 18. Nov 2003
Postitas Karmus
Meil öeldakse selle kohta sanitaarlask :)

PostitusPostitatud: 15:23 18. Nov 2003
Postitas roac

PostitusPostitatud: 23:35 18. Nov 2003
Postitas higgins

PostitusPostitatud: 9:25 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Karmus
Coup de Grace on justnimelt piinade lõpetamiseks antav surmalöök/halastustapp. Ei ole tegemist mingisuguse une pealt tapmisega.

Arumaeimõista mis kuradi aretamine see siin selle tõlkimisega käib- enamus mahvi läheb inimestel "uute lahedate", "hästi kõlavate" sõnade väljamõtlemise peale vaevumata raamatust järgi vaatama mida üks või teine asi tähendab.

PostitusPostitatud: 13:24 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Tauron

PostitusPostitatud: 14:13 19. Nov 2003
Postitas higgins

PostitusPostitatud: 14:20 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Teemon

PostitusPostitatud: 14:27 19. Nov 2003
Postitas higgins

PostitusPostitatud: 14:49 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Posija
Tuleb tunnistada, et sedapuhku tõesti ameeriklaste valitud termin ei kajasta asja sisu. Või õieti - asjale on lisatud sisu, mis terminiga kokku ei lähe. See võib tuleneda sellest, et ameerikalik maailmavaade ei oma isegi mitte mälestust rüütellikest ideaalidest :) Igal juhul - graatsia kõnealuse termini mõistes peaks kõigist klassidest olema omaseim just paladinidele, aga enamus Higginsi poolt viidatud reeglipärastest CdG kasutusviisidest peaks paladini koheselt lahutama tema õilsusest :)

Siiski avastasin just päris põneva loogika, mida võib välja lugeda Higginsi poolt tsiteeritud reeglitest - abitu vastane on sinu armulikkuse all. CdG graatsia seisneb selles et sul on voli jätta hoop andmata... 8)

PostitusPostitatud: 15:54 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Shadow

PostitusPostitatud: 17:59 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Tinz
grace (a peal on katus) tuleb prantsuse keelest ja tähendab 1) armuandmist ja halastust 2) heldust ja soosingut ja alles 3) graatsiat ja nõtkust.

Tegu seega halastustapmisega - kui rüütel oli vastast haavanud, siis ta lõi tema ka maha, et vaeseke ei peaks lüüasaamise häbi kannatama.

Ameeriklaste koha pealt võib õiguski olla, nende teadmisi prantsuse keelest ja Euroopoa kultuurist väljendab kõige paremini Bushi hiljutine pärl:
French people don't know a thing about private enterprises, they don't even have a word for "entrepreneur".


Aga tapmise juurde tagasi tulles: ei olegi oluline, mis on selle termini algne tähendus. Me teeme omaenda terminoloogiat, me võime selle asja nimeks panna ka kefiir, kui me kokku lepime, et see tähendab vot justnimelt seda. TERMINOLOOGIA ON KOKKULEPPELINE. Kuidas sai arvutiviiruste nimeks viirus? Keegi avastas, et see sõna sobib sinna... Ja nii läinudki.

(Aga kui ameeriklased on coup de grace'i prantsuse keelest üle võtnud muutmata kujul, võime meiegi seda teha.)


PostitusPostitatud: 18:12 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Tauron
halastuslöök- kas me nüüd võiks selle juurde jääda? annab piisavalt edasi asja tuuma, et selle üle rohkem mitte vaielda. m.o.t.t.

PostitusPostitatud: 19:15 19. Nov 2003
Postitas higgins

PostitusPostitatud: 20:13 19. Nov 2003
Postitas Dister